amps: BA gt series vs DLS Ultimate vs Helix Esprit

Discussion in 'OT Technology' started by Ronin, May 16, 2006.

  1. Ronin

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    talked to my brother today who has just bought Z6s recently and is driving them on 200 watts rms per channel. :naughty: he was saying how much he loved them :bowdown:


    The end of this month is my deadline to order my sound system stuff so the moment will soon be arriving :bowdown:

    (postponed again due to fucking up the bumper on my dd :ugh: :wtc:)


    So im trying to figure out what amp would be best for the Z6s, if its DLS or Helix i will be going with mobilesq.com, otherwise im not 100 percent on where id be going for the BAs but i have a lot of options

    hopefully ill get input from ngsm, veo, jrock, etc. :)

    (i was going to get arc audios, had the money, had the contact but changed my mind at last minute, so now im back to this again)

    those helix amps look like sex :eek4:


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    do you think the H400 will rape the Z6s?
     
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  2. ngsm13

    ngsm13 New Member

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    Will you be bi-amping them?

    If not, while the Helix is a great amplifier... I would not run it bridged on the Z6's. I have seen a few high level amps, Such as Zapco C2k have problems running bridged to a set of components... especially when nominal impedance is 3ohms. Of course, if you use the 4channel to bi-amp the components, shouldn't be any problems.

    My top two choices would be the DLS Ultimate and the Helix. Which particular DLS did you have your eye on? They're amazing amps, could believably be used on any setup you could ever want, capable of 1ohm stereo.

    So, let us know... ;)
     
  3. bearsdidit

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    i love the dls sound... if i could fit some huge amps into my car i'd use em. i'm still tempted to use the reference series.
     
  4. Ronin

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    if i was running the 4 channel to bi amp how would performance compare IE 50 to woofer, 50 to tweets vs 100 to tweets and woofers? that is my concern about bi amping as i have no experience whatsoever with it. is it about the same?


    for DLS i was looking at the A4, should i bi-amp that as well or can i bridge it?

    I really want to be able to get all I can out of the Z6s.

    oh and im also considering the A3
     
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  5. ls1pimp

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    I'd invest in the DLS stuff.
     
  6. JRock10

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    I've only worked with the BA amps, and that was one vehicle (we weren't a BA dealer). Our Kicker rep tried to get us to pick up the DLS line, but he never could demo some product. I like the look of the stuff.
    and Helix, well, I've read that it is the little brother of Brax, which I have heard a couple of times. I liked the Brax stuff, so if Helix compares, that might be the way to go.
     
  7. bearsdidit

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    the only problem i have with the dls stuff is that their 4 channels aren't very big... i think an a4 is like 75 watts rms which is sufficent, but headroom is good.
     
  8. eighteen_psi

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    I'll chime in here, as I'm considering bi-amping my Pro 6.5's. Currently they're getting 100 a side from a bridged 50x4 section of my PPI PC6600.2. Basically I have the same question...how will I benefit going 50 a driver vs. 100 a channel?

    My only complaints with the set as is would be the midbass...or lack thereof compared with some other high end sets. I shouldn't really say lack of midbass but those tweets just howl (and that's in a very good way) :bowdown: and can tend to overpower (since they're so much closer to the ears in my install).

    My thoughts (which apply here as well) are basically that you're only getting 50 per driver anyway with the passive crossover (some cut power to the tweeter but it doesn't seem like the Boston's do)...so all you're gaining is control. On the other hand, the Boston crossovers are very good so I'm not sure how much better I can do with my onboard (though they're all nice 24dB). Experiments show the mids can take a ton more power than they're getting now and I could give them that without annihlating my ears with the tweets...maybe.

    Perhaps I should just try it? :eek4:

    What about routing the already-crossed signal through the stock passives (as long as I get the frequency right) so I can maintain my tweeter protection? Anything really wrong with this given the quality of stuff in the signal path?

    Should I just say f-it and get a huge 2 channel and give them 350 or 400 a side passive? :rofl:
     
  9. Ronin

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    word but the A3 looks reasonably hefty

    http://www.dls.se/english/fstark/a3n.htm

    Mode: AB
    Number of channels: 2
    Output power in 4 ohm: 2 x 150 watt
    Output power in 2 ohm: 2 x 270 Watt
    Output power in 1 ohm: 2 x 425 Watt
    Output power in 4 ohm bridge mode: 550 Watt
    Output power in 2 ohm bridge mode: 870 Watt
    Output power in 1 ohm bridge mode: 1200 watt
    S / N ratio, A-weighted: > 100 dB
    Damping factor: > 200

    if the Z6s are 3 ohms would that mean theyd be pulling between 150 and 270 watts? like 200? im not sure how the impedance would effect power draw in this situation.
     
  10. JRock10

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    one thing i've found with some higher end comps is they will require some sort of enclosure to ensure good midbass reproduction. my orions are lacking in that dept, but i don't have very much room in the firebird's door.
     
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    Mine aren't fully enclosed but they are well baffled and the door is seriously deadened. That made a night and day difference. If I could enclose them without destroying half my door I would...it couldn't hurt.
     
  12. Ronin

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    im doing fiberglass kicks
     
  13. bearsdidit

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    the twin mono would work well if you are going to use the passives.
     
  14. Ronin

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    yeah ill be going passive
     
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    2x twin monos for active? :bigthumb:
     
  16. Ronin

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    not enuf money
     
  17. bearsdidit

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    ftw, lol even at dealer cost thats a fuck load of money.
     
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    Hey man, go big or go home :squint:
    I've yet to try anything that establishes a concrete power limit for my 6.5s...the Z6's should have a similar cavalier disregard for wattage :eek4:


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    I think one is enough :rofl:
     
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    ehhh, i have a baby on the way... but i get my stuff for a lot cheaper then everyone else, it works out
     
  20. denim

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    I like the Helix, but have you looked into the US Amps Merlins?
     
  21. Ronin

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    forgot about US Amps, I heard that of recent they arent very good :dunno: i could be wrong though of course

    wuts supposed to be better, Merlin or AX series?

    AX 1000 vs MD23
    AX 600 vs MD22

    still liking the DLS but the power on the US Amps looks quite nice as well.

    how would DLS compare with US Amps?

    it seems AX might be the better series from what ive seen, the AX1000 looks pretty cool, power handable by Z6s you think? hmm. more distortion than the A3s though.

    i also dont know where to find US Amps amplifiers
     
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  22. denim

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    thats a stupid rumor because it changed owners and location,
    the amps are still designed by the same people,

    the AX is the top line, but the Merlin has been getting some great reviews lately and are not quite the price of the AX, less power though
     
  23. Ronin

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    i can also fit LRX series Audison amps into my budget as well
     
  24. Ronin

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    hmm, the AX 600 would work as well, but yeah, finding them will be hard if i were to get them and I still like the DLS amps, easy to find.
     
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    good amps, :bigthumb:
     

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