AMD to reclaim the crown again already?

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  1. Cthalupa

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  2. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    It sounds more to me like Intel will just bump up their clock speeds enough to spank AMD's next gen stuff, too.
     
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    I like that they are neck and neck.
     
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    The fact that they keep leap-frogging over each other is nothing but good news to the consumer (that's us). This is one of the few examples where the capitalist model really works out. These two companies are competing fiercely with each other and trying to win our dollars simply by making the best product possible...
     
  5. deusexaethera

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    While it appears to be good for the consumer, unfortunately it involves switching back and forth between AMD-compatible hardware and Intel-compatible hardware, or else you wait until the leapfrog puts your preferred brand in the lead again only to find out that the hardware you have is still incompatible because it's now obsolete. If hardware innovation were driven by software demands, it would likely be easier to keep from blowing a thousand bucks on a new machine every two years.
     
  6. Cthalupa

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    I'd say AMD has much more to worry about with Intel's GCPU offerings that are on the horizon than Penryn. Nanometer size has a lot of benefits, of course, but it isn't real innovation.
     
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    and lol @ clock speeds

    Intel has tried that before, remember? Didn't work out so well. We're far beyond the point in time where clock speed is the be all end all of performance.
     
  8. 5Gen_Prelude

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    Yes - that's been the case since the PIII came out - but don't tell the overclockers :mamoru:
     
  9. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Well, let's not piss on clock speed. Faster is still better, it's just not as much better as it used to be back when people had maybe ten processes running at once.
     
  10. Cthalupa

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    Yea, it helps - but my system is overclocked, by a fair margin (Nearly 20%), and I get like... 3 more FPS.
     
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    Maybe that's because its your GPU, not your CPU, that controls your framerate these days? I bet that 20% overclock would do wonders for rendering.
     
  12. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    lol@ thinking clock speeds wouldn't matter.

    The only reason they didn't work before is that AMD's cpu was too superior
    for it to matter. That is definitely not the case anymore.

    If you can overclock an E6600 to 4ghz, then Intel can make one at that speed.
    It's going to take magic, voodoo rituals, and the stars aligning for
    AMD to have the top spot again.

    Things change fast, and anything can happen these days.
    If AMD does come out with new level shit, that will only
    mean that Intel will cut their prices even further.
    And that's a win-win to me.
     
  13. 5Gen_Prelude

    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    I think the point we're trying to make is that the real world benefits of overclocking have dwindled - processor achitecture makes more of a difference than a few hundred MHz does. Can you measure the difference? Sure. Does it really help in 99% of the things you're doing? Nope.
     
  14. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I get that, but I think you guys are missing my point.
    In the old days, Pentiums weren't very efficient on a clock-cycle basis.
    So if you overclocked a Pentium 4 by 25%, you got a slightly faster heater for your living room.

    That's all changed. You take a 2ghz C2D and overclock it to 4ghz with
    a nice big fat Peltier cooler, and you will get exactly twice as much performance from a cpu that already kicks serious ass.

    This is no longer a story of hyper speed Pentium underperformers.
    For AMD to beat C2D, they are going to have to make a landmark change to their cpu's.
     
  15. Cthalupa

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    Yes and no. Heavy physics based games have huge increases from better CPUs. GPU is the deciding factor, of course, but CPU is still important.

    I went ahead and ran Prime95, to compare numbers. Less than a 5% increase with the 20% overclock.


    People have overclocked Intel CPUs up to ~8Ghz before. Could Intel sell these same procs at that clock rate? No. Things have to be able to run for a certain lifespan and be stable, etc, for them to sell it.

    And that completely ignores the fact that clockrate is not what it used to be. Your point would be a a (somewhat) valid rebuttle if I had said "Intel can't raise the clockrate on their processors lol!", but I said clock rate isn't as important as it was. Not nearly.


    Overclocking was FAR more effective in the past than it is now. If I could get my 800mhz proc up to 1.4ghz, I had more than doubled my performance. Now, taking a 2Ghz proc and knocking it up to 4ghz is not going to double your performance.
     
  16. deusexaethera

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    How do you knock up a CPU, anyway?
     
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    Leaving the side of the case off while watching pr0n?

    :dunno:
     
  18. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I just did that this weekend.

    Oh well, I hope the bitch spits out some more Raptors, then.
     
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    Parallelism is where things are going. Clock speed in a long pipe has issues I'm sure others can elaborate on.

    The most impressive processors out there now? The Sparc. They can run a bagillion threads simultaneously, already. And yet their clockspeeds are half of Intels. This is what Intel processors will look like in the coming years.
     
  20. deusexaethera

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    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wackit: :rofl:
     
  21. deusexaethera

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    You are such a SMS fanboy, you know that?

    Sparcs would be nicer if I could get them in a desktop machine capable of running Windows. Alas...
     
  22. mondaynightmike

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    I stick with intel stuff.

    had AMD once and it was shit compared to intel.
     
  23. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I go with whatever is fastest. I have a C2D now, but my last build
    was a dual Opteron setup.
     
  24. Peyomp

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    We are becoming a reseller, so I freely admit that.

    Still SPARCs are already where Intel and AMD are going, so my post stands on its own merits.
     
  25. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    You tell him, deusexaethera.
     

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