GUN Am I the only one who does not see the appeal of .45 GAP?

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  1. minus

    minus Damn you, Damn the Broccoli, and Damn the Wright B

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    My friend just picked up a Glock 38. He was all excited because it was .45 caliber firepower in a 23 sized frame (he has a 23). I have held the gun but am disappointed that it only holds 8 rounds. I just see my G30 as being far more concealable and it holds 1 more round with the flush fit. Is it just me?
     
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    probably why they don't sell for shit.
     
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    The original point was to have a .45 round that has a shorter OAL than a .40S&W to have .45ACP ballistics. Basically they shortened the .45ACP case and loaded them to .45ACP +P pressures so the frame didn't have to be so long. It's pointless now that they have the SF models.
     
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    XD-45.
    13 round mags FTW!
     
  5. Ford4Life

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    Not much point in it. When you use the 10 round mag with the G30, it's basically the same size as the 19/23, and has better capacity than the GAP guns.
     
  6. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    It's not you.

    It's been adopted by a few police depts and even some state agencies (NYSP, GSP, PSP, and SCHP) but ultimately it looks like another .357SIG to me, and I imagine it will die off sooner. At least the .357 brings a unique ballistic profile to common semi-autos, as opposed to reproducing an existing caliber.
     
  7. Paul Revere

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    its the answer to a question no one gave a fuck about.
     
  8. minus

    minus Damn you, Damn the Broccoli, and Damn the Wright B

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    :bowdown: I've been thinking long and hard about another Glock.
     
  9. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    What's your point? Glock 21s have 13rd mags.
     
  10. mikeflys1

    mikeflys1 New Member

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    I think he might not realize that the GAP is a caliber and not the gun.
     
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    :werd:

    If I want .45 in a semi-auto, it'll be .45ACP.
    If I want something smaller, it'll be in 9mm or .40 S&W.
    Besides, I've seen some reports of .45GAP Glocks having kB! issues like the earlier .40 S&W Glocks. Not worth it to me.
     
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    .45 GAP is also targeted at countries where military calibers are forbidden.
     
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    As far as the 45 gap I think it's just in the wrong platform. It would be kind of cool in a revolver. Make a shorter version of the S&W 325pd revolver but with 45 gap and running off of moon clips. A moon clip 45 is real easy to reload. The fairly low pressure round would be very controlable. Good truck or backpacking gun.
     
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    No, I remember some PD's on the East Coast had .45GAP guns blowing up at range training. .45GAP is running pretty hot pressures to be almost-equaling .45ACP in a shorter package.
     
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    .45 GAP wasn't because .45ACP was "too powerful," just "too large."

    .45 GAP is supposed to equal or come very close to .45 ACP ballistics in a smaller package.

    And yes, it is selling. But I think the introduction of the SF models is the writing on the wall about Glock realizing that it's mostly selling to police agencies who get sweetheart deals on the guns. I don't think I've met anyone who went out and got a .45GAP Glock. I've met several who got 21s and a grip reduction, or a 21SF, though.
     
  16. LancerV

    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    45gap pressure is just about equal to 45ACP+P but in a smaller case, and a 230gr bullet moving at 850fps seems really close to regular 45acp
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    .45 GAP was Glocks answer to a question no one asked.
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    He does have a point, it has already been tried but didn't have the backing of a major company and failed.
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    Umm I said it had backing by major companies, I was talking about 45 Short Auto that failed because it didn't have the backing of major companies.

    But how many people did you hear bitching that there 45ACP handguns were too long and needed to shave .5" off?

    And 10mm at least offers a different ballistics than any other cartridge, unless you can name another handgun that gets 20" of penetration out of a handgun. Its just a smaller cartridge with the EXACT same ballistics as another cartridge.
     
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    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    So you pretty much couldn't refute anything I said :h5: and thousands huh :hsugh:
     
  23. LancerV

    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    What does grip reduction have to do anything with 45gap :hsugh: Now your talking about all glocks vs 45gap. Pretty much reaching for the sky now eh?

    40sw != 10mm ballistics, 40sw happened because 20" of penetration in a duty gun is going to cause an issue

    45gap = 45acp ballistics
     
  24. LancerV

    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    Ok what does that have to do with grip reduction since your so bright :h5: and you missed the edit :p Glock SF also
     
  25. LancerV

    LancerV Something Happened OT Supporter

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    No it had the major backing of comapnies to be pushed. 45gap is nothing new like you seem to think so.

    .45 Italian, and 45 Short Auto were both about the same size of 45gap but failed because it didnt have major backings.

    And as far as grip reduction, most people bitch about glock grips not just 45ACP

    And if 45acp was so damn long you would think everyone would be bitching about 1911 grips....
     

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