alcohol drinking brolys - take this herb, get drunk on less booze!!

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  1. velamint

    velamint Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon

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    BOSTON -- A group of 20-something drinkers seemed to lose the urge to binge-drink when they took pills made from kudzu, that ubiquitous vine that blankets the South, researchers reported.

    The finding, described as groundbreaking by one expert, might one day lead to a way to attack the binge-drinking problem.

    Researcher Scott Lukas, with Harvard-affiliated McLean Hospital, had no trouble finding volunteers for the study, which required them to hang out in an "apartment," complete with television, recliner and fridge stocked with beer. This apartment-style laboratory was set up in the hospital, and the volunteers were told to spend a 90-minute session drinking beer and watching TV.

    Those who took kudzu pills drank an average of 1.8 beers per session, compared with the 3.5 beers consumed by those who took a placebo.

    Lukas was not certain why, but speculated that kudzu increases blood-alcohol levels and speeds up its effects. In other words, the drinkers needed fewer beers to feel drunk.

    "That rapid infusion of alcohol is satisfying them and taking away their desire for more drinks," Lukas said. "That's only a theory. It's the best we've got so far."

    In 2003, David Overstreet and other researchers at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill studied the plant found it had a similar effect on rats.

    "There's a lot of anecdotal evidence from China that kudzu could be useful, but this is the first documented evidence that it could reduce drinking in humans," said Overstreet, who reviewed the study and called Lukas' work "groundbreaking."

    The 14 men and women chosen for the study were people who said they regularly had three to four drinks a day. After all of them spent a 90-minute session drinking and watching TV, they were divided in two groups for follow-up sessions.

    A chemist extracted several forms of plant estrogen from the roots, stems and leaves of kudzu and used it to make tablets. One group was given two tablets three times a day for a week, and the other group was given placebos.

    After another round of 90-minute beer-drinking, the placebo group was given the kudzu tablets and vice versa.

    "Unbeknownst to them, I was weighing that mug of beer every time they took a sip," said Lukas, who hid a digital scale inside an end table where the subjects were told to rest their beers. "We actually got a sip-by-sip analysis of their drinking behavior."

    None of the test subjects had any side effects.

    "It's perfectly safe, from what we can tell," Lukas said. "Individuals reported feeling a little more tipsy or lightheaded, but not enough to make them walk into walls or stumble and fall."

    Though kudzu won't turn drinkers into teetotalers, Lukas said, he hopes it can help heavy drinkers to cut back. "That way, they're a lot closer to being able to cut down completely."

    Lukas' study, published in this month's issue of Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, was inspired by Dr. Wing Ming Keung, a pathology professor at Harvard Medical School who has studied the potential medical applications of kudzu.

    Keung said he has extracted a compound from kudzu root that he hopes to turn into a drug for reducing alcoholics' cravings.

    "The most urgent need is helping people who cannot help themselves, who need a drug to help them stop drinking," Keung said.

    http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hskudz0518,0,3070883.story?coll=ny-leadhealthnews-headlines
     
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    velamint Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon

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    does it mean anything that it is a plant estrogen? im guessing not, but i dunno. and i guess alcohol already supresses test, anyway
     
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    velamint Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon

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    Werdna Livin' the SLO Life...

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    It also says that the herb increases BAC faster which means that it would take fewer drinks to reach a dangerous level. This sounds safe. BTW, if anyone wants any they can come steal as much of that overpowering shit as they want from the woods down the street.
     
  7. :uh:

    it does _seem_ to allow the effects of alcohol more quickly. leading to, in the case of archtypical drinkers most prone to binging, less drinking, as the desired result is achieved sooner.

    sure, if you're an asshole, or an idiot, you could munch kudzu and just plug on a bottle and have the rippest roaringest drunk you've ever had, and then die.

    also keep in mind, the levels of supplement used in this study, IIRC, were about 10x as strong what you commonly find off the shelf.
     
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    where can i purchase this herb?
     
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    cedric I don't have a contract

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    :eek4: good for calories, bad for social occasions.
     
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    velamint Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon

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    unless you're a college student...90% of the time I drink it's binge drinking :o
     
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    :werd: 15 beers or 15oz of liq
     
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    Werdna Livin' the SLO Life...

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    depending on the price this could be very good for teh wallet. :x:
     
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    Hood Moses I part the Black Seas...

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    I drank a bottle of Jager in one night. It was an interesting night.
     
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    love that shit. half a fifth in a few hours will make you feel great
     
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    I'd like to know how this is supposed to help heavy drinkers stop drinking. I'm assuming alcoholics drink to get drunk, not just because they like lifting a glass/bottle. They may drink less total alcohol, but they are still getting the same effect.... don't see how this is supposed to reduce the craving.
     
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    maybe it will help ween them from the addiction of alcohol because they will have less alcohol in their system? :dunno:
     
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    all the online herb stores say this just makes you not want to drink rather than get you drunk faster. :dunno:
     
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    velamint Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon

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    exactly, but the article says they dont want to drink more BECAUSE they get drunk sooner, so I dont know wtf the deal is.
     
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    shastaisforwinners OT Supporter

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    since it's primarily a mental addiction, I don't see why this would help though. They are still getting the neurological response associated with drinking, due to the raised BAC... :dunno:
     
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    I suppose it could help with reducing cell death, slowing liver failure and the onset of alcohol-related diseases maybe.
     
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    3.5 beers with placebo? more like 9+ beers ;D go 12 packs
     
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    alcoholism is actually a physical dependency, thats what i was referring to.
     
  25. generally it involves physical dependency, but there's plenty of habit/mental aspects to play into as well.
     
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