MIL Addressing officers whose rank has a modifier

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  1. red

    red New Member

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    When I was working as a contractor in EUCOM, my primary contact was a Lieutenant Colonel. It was years ago, and I can't remember now how, exactly, I addressed him.

    But I do remember at one point wondering to myself if it was rude for me to use the full modifier for his rank, and whether I should address him as "Lieutenant Colonel Smith" or if just calling him, informally, "Colonel Smith" was acceptable and/or appropriate.

    I don't imagine, for instance, anyone bothers calling a Second Lieutenant "Second Lieutenant Smith" when referring to him casually. And I sincerely doubt anyone addresses a Brigadier General with his full title. I had to work with an Admiral for a while who was an O8, and I didn't fucking call him "Rear Admiral."

    For the life of me, now, I can't remember what the fuck I called him. Which is bizarre, because I worked with him for about a year.
     
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    according to the army's future soldier information on how to address officers;

    2nd/1st LT - "Lieutenant"
    capt - "Captain"
    maj - "Major"
    Lt Col/Col - "Colonel"
    Brig/Maj/Lt/General - "General"
     
  3. red

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    Makes sense. I always felt like using three extra syllables to point out that he wasn't a full colonel was a little rude.
     
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    In the Navy, it's ok to refer to an Officer as "Mr. Last Name" where as in the Army, it's not appropriate.

    That took me awhile to get use too....Army only refers to Warrants as Mr./Ms.



    I know some people who are uptight about people calling 2LT/1LT's "LT" vice Lieutenant"....personally, I see nothing wrong with "LT" as long as the Soldier/SM is maintaining proper military bearing.
     
  5. Julius

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    it's one of those "in the platoon" things. each PL i've been under sees it as a term of endearment.
     
  6. MrRyan

    MrRyan Gary Johnson 2016 OT Supporter

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    WO1 = Mr. Smith
    CW2 and Higher = Chief Smith

    Brackac will come in here and tell me I'm wrong since he's in aviation and they have their own little bubble.

    AR 600-20 covers this for the Army.
     
  7. red

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    I always referred to Warrants as "Chief"
     
  8. WildBull

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    always call someone by their full rank. If you don't, they either got promoted or demoted which is grounds for some hazing :naughty:
     
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    WO1's are not "Chiefs". They are not commissioned and are referred to as "Mr."
     
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    Guess I didn't know many warrants.
     
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    AR 600–20 • 18 March 2008 Pg.3 Table 1–1

    General officers
    Grade of rank: General of the Army
    Pay grade: Special
    Title of address: General
    Abbreviation: GA (See table note 1)

    Grade of rank: General
    Pay grade: O-10
    Title of address: General
    Abbreviation: GEN

    Grade of rank: Lieutenant General
    Pay grade: O-9
    Title of address: General
    Abbreviation: LTG

    Grade of rank: Major General
    Pay grade: O-8
    Title of address: General
    Abbreviation: MG

    Grade of rank: Brigadier General
    Pay grade: O-7
    Title of address: General
    Abbreviation: BG

    Field grade officers
    Grade of rank: Colonel
    Pay grade: O-6
    Title of address: Colonel
    Abbreviation: COL

    Grade of rank: Lieutenant Colonel
    Pay grade: O-5
    Title of address: Colonel
    Abbreviation: LTC

    Grade of rank: Major
    Pay grade: O-4
    Title of address: Major
    Abbreviation: MAJ

    Company grade officers
    Grade of rank: Captain
    Pay grade: O-3
    Title of address: Captain
    Abbreviation: CPT

    Grade of rank: First Lieutenant
    Pay grade: O-2
    Title of address: Lieutenant
    Abbreviation: 1LT

    Grade of rank: Second Lieutenant
    Pay grade: O-1
    Title of address: Lieutenant
    Abbreviation: 2LT

    Warrant officers
    Grade of rank: Chief Warrant Officer, Five
    Pay grade: W-5
    Title of address: Mister (Mrs./Miss/Ms.)
    Abbreviation: CW5

    Grade of rank: Chief Warrant Officer, Four
    Pay grade: W-4
    Title of address: Mister (Mrs./Miss/Ms.)
    Abbreviation: CW4

    Grade of rank: Chief Warrant Officer, Three
    Pay grade: W-3
    Title of address: Mister (Mrs./Miss/Ms.)
    Abbreviation: CW3

    Grade of rank: Chief Warrant Officer, Two
    Pay grade: W-2
    Title of address: Mister (Mrs./Miss/Ms.)
    Abbreviation: CW2

    Grade of rank: Warrant Officer, One
    Pay grade: W-1
    Title of address: Mister (Mrs./Miss/Ms.)
    Abbreviation: WO1

    Cadets
    Grade of rank: Cadet, U.S. Military Academy
    Pay grade: Special
    Title of address: Mister/Miss/Ms./Cadet
    Abbreviation: CDT

    Grade of rank: Cadet, Senior Advanced ROTC
    Pay grade: Special
    Title of address: Mister/Miss/Ms/Cadet
    Abbreviation: CDT

    Candidates
    Grade of rank: Officer Candidate
    Pay grade: Special
    Title of address: Candidate
    Abbreviation: OC

    Grade of rank: Warrant Officer Candidate
    Pay grade: Special
    Title of address: Candidate
    Abbreviation: WOC

    Enlisted
    Grade or rank: Sergeant Major of the Army
    Pay grade: E-9
    Title of address: Sergeant Major
    Abbreviation: SMA

    Grade of rank: Command Sergeant Major (See table note 2)
    Pay grade: E-9
    Title of address: Sergeant Major
    Abbreviation: CSM

    Grade of rank: Sergeant Major (See table note 3)
    Pay grade: E-9
    Title of address: Sergeant Major
    Abbreviation: SGM

    Grade of rank: First Sergeant
    Pay grade: E-8
    Title of address: First Sergeant
    Abbreviation: 1SG

    Grade of rank: Master Sergeant
    Pay grade: E-8
    Title of address: Sergeant
    Abbreviation: MSG

    Grade of rank: Sergeant First Class
    Pay grade: E-7
    Title of address: Sergeant
    Abbreviation: SFC

    Grade of rank: Staff Sergeant
    Pay grade: E-6
    Title of address: Sergeant
    Abbreviation: SSG

    Grade of rank: Sergeant
    Pay grade: E-5
    Title of address: Sergeant
    Abbreviation: SGT

    Grade of rank: Corporal
    Pay grade: E-4
    Title of address: Corporal
    Abbreviation: CPL

    Grade of rank: Specialist (See table note 4)
    Pay grade: E-4
    Title of address: Specialist
    Abbreviation: SP4 (See table note 5)

    Grade of rank: Private First Class
    Pay grade: E-3
    Title of address: Private
    Abbreviation: PFC

    Grade of rank: Private
    Pay grade: E-2
    Title of address: Private
    Abbreviation: PV2

    Grade of rank: Private
    Pay grade: E-l
    Title of address: Private
    Abbreviation: PV1
     
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    I've been called a Chief before, and CW2 through 5 are supposed to be referred to by Mr/Mrs, it just depends on the person on what they would rather be called.
     
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    Yeah I saw that when I copied the regulation. Still though, WO1's are not chiefs.
     
  14. WildBull

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    the day I hear a "Mr. or Mrs." to someone with a military uniform on I am going to laugh so hard and give the :hsugh:

    we call CWO or WO sir or ma'am if below, and chief warrent officer / warrent officer if talking about
     
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    That's how it works in my book, but you have some aviation warrants that hate the term "chief". Those guys tend to be the high-strung type.
     
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    I might be the 10th CAB S6 :o
     
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    Lite Colonel.
     
  18. red

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    I also worked with a Navy Commander who was a total douchenugget, and, being the civilian that I am, always called him by his nickname.
     
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    CW2 and up I call Chief. I personally think it's a badass title of address. I have NEVER called anyone Mr./Mrs. That just seems stupid even though it is correct by regs. (I've never seen anyone use Mr./Mrs. either.)
     
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    You must all be officers because when I'm talking to them I just call them sir and their rank and name doesn't make a bit of difference.
     
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    civilian :dunno:

    An O-6 or above, I'll definitely address with their full title. Below that, depends on whether or not the guy is a douche.
     
  22. lim f(x) = f(a)

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    in my cadre I called all the Capt - hey Capt. :mamoru:

    our detachment commander was a Colonel

    so I was a pussy and always said Col - smith :hs:
     
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    I said "Who the hell is <firstname> <lastname>?" to an O6's face once. As in, it was his name. Didn't use his title at all.

    I felt bad, though.
     

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