A&P A question that's never been asked before v.nikon

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  1. Laurel

    Laurel New Member

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    I'm looking to break into the DSLR market and I've used Nikons before, and since I'm comfortable with them, I'd like to get a Nikon. According to my research, refurbished is theoretically better than new (more closely gone over) and since it has some sort of warranty, I'm ok with it. I'd prefer the 10.x MP range, so here are my options within my price range.

    D40X, refurbished - $429 - Cheapest I want to buy, bare bones
    D60, refurbished - $450 - This is with the non VR lens, has the sensor blowy thing and turns off the LCD display when your face is up to it
    D3000, new - $550ish - Seems ok, but still uses the special lenses and doesn't seem that much better than the D60 for $100 more
    D80, used - $500ish - obviously the nicest camera, biggest benefit (and the only reason I'd consider buying used) is that it can AF using the not magic AF digicam lenses, but used which makes me nervous

    What do you think my best bet is. I do all sorts of shooting, from food in my kitchen to action/shooting sports photos. Size isn't a big deal, regardless of what camera I get, it'll be bigger and heavier than what I'm used to.

    Any suggestions? :hsd:
     
  2. Girth

    Girth ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ OT Supporter

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    If you're going to take photography seriously and going to expand your horizons down the road, ditch the D40/60/3000. Only reason being, they take DX lenses and don't have the auto focus motor inside the camera... so you're limited.

    D80 would be the choice of the bunch, but if you're really serious, save your money and get a used D90.

    And you're buying refurbished because its "more closely gone over"? What the hell does that mean? You'll save a few hundred over new w/ a refurb, but you're still getting a used camera. :dunno:
     
  3. Laurel

    Laurel New Member

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    I'm ok with a "used" camera so long as it's been checked by the manufacturer and has a warranty. I was reading some stuff that came up on google regarding refurb cameras having had a thorough "going over" by technicians versus the quick checks that are done on every camera going off the assembly line.

    To be honest, I'm not going to get serious into photography. I have a $200 fuji Finepix S700 that I use for now, and it's terrible in anything other than very bright light or for "macro" shots. I like to dabble but I'm certain that I'll never do anythign professionally or semi-professionally and I'm unlikely to buy a bunch of lenses either, maybe one for better zoom and a macro lens.

    Knowing that I don't want to spend more than $550ish, do you think it's worth it to pick up a used D80 over something with a warranty?
     
  4. White Stormy

    White Stormy Take that, subspace!

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    just get a Canon SX20 IS and call it a day
     
  5. Laurel

    Laurel New Member

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    Do not want.

    I'd really like the option to move up and become a gear whore in the future if I see fit, but at this point I'm getting frustrated with my fuji which seems pretty similar to that canon, just cheaper.
     
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    White Stormy Take that, subspace!

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    even Girth is gonna disagree with you on that.
     
  7. Laurel

    Laurel New Member

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    Ok, that's great. I've pretty much totally decided that I want a Nikon DSLR and am just curious what one is the best choice for me given the prices that I've been able to find.
     
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    Go back to your research board and do some more researching until you find 1 camera that you want.
     
  9. Laurel

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    I really WANT the d80, but I can't justify the new price, and am not sure if it's a good idea to buy a used camera. Used electronics make me nervous. Plus I'm totally neurotic about everything I buy that's more than a few hundred dollars.
     
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    Then you won't be saving much money on camera gear with that attitude... :rofl:
     
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    Not to bust any bubbles, but refurb can also mean a problem, got sent back under warranty exchange, and ran through the mill and the problem was never corrected because it was an intermittent thing.

    Happens all the time, but if you happen to know that the unit went in for a defective shutter (or something similar), was fixed and put back out into a store then its a safe bet that its fixed.

    Also you can always buy a used one and send it in for maint/cleaning. Its not expensive.
     
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    Climbing Cracker I am the Devil. And I am here to do the Devil's w

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    Drunken Karnie Midget In Yeo We Trust, All Others Pay Cash OT Supporter

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    There's truly valid reasons to go with the D80, but if money's an issue, then you're going to have to look at used or refurbs, which is going to come with some risk. If you ever, ever think you might step up to a level of photography above shooting your friends' keggers, then you might as well go with the d80.
     
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    What he means is, a random camera has a chance of getting a manufacturing defect. A refurbished unit got that, and had it fixed. However, it's still just as likely to get another defect, just not the one that popped up in the first place. Unless of course, it's a lemon, then you'd better hope the 30 day warranty catches it...
     
  15. Laurel

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    90 day. ;)

    I'd shoot the hell out of it in the next 90 days to make sure it was going to function ok.

    I'll probably just get the D60. I'm more comfortable with a camera with a warranty, and since I don't expect to be a lens whore, my extra expenditures on lenses won't be too bad.
     
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    jared_IRL OT Supporter

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    don't get the d60. it's garbage.

    look for the d80, d3000, or since you're already talking about spending $550'ish, save up another $50 and get the d5000.
     
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    Why dont you save a few more months and get a D90.
     
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    :rofl:

    I bet you anything if you do that, the camera will break on day 91. Ever heard of karma?
     
  19. someonenew

    someonenew He's Dangerous

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    check Amazon for a refurbished unit. Cameta camera often sells refurbished units for a considerable discount. they come with like a 90 day factory warranty, and a 1 year store warranty.

    and get the D90 if you can since this will stop you from the "desire" to upgrade 4-6 months in.
     
  20. dmora

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    Buy a d100 or d200.

    Or save yor money for the d90. It sounds like you have already made up your mind about the d90 but cant afford it. Either save more money or don't. Simple.
     
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    If you think you will truly get into photography then pick up the D90. Anything below that is really quite mediocre.
     
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    I honestly don't think I need a d90, and of course I'd like a D80, but I don't really have a need for that. According to the research that I've done, the cameras that I posted are the ones that I'm considering. I was hoping that I'd get some useful advice instead of "spend lots more money and buy a way nicer camera that is way more than you need." I have limited finances, and $550 is the very most I'd consider blowing on a camera, I have more important things to spend my money on. I honestly don't expect to get into serious photography (as I've outlined a number of times in this thread already), I just take occasional photos of shooting events, snapshots of family and friends, and pictures of food. I'm interested in the camera equivalent of a car that gets daily driven and a couple times a year goes autocrossing for fun. I don't need a corvette with slicks, or even a miata with a roll cage.

    Gvidon - apparently you don't quite get the meaning of karma. Karma dictates that if you do something bad, eventually, something bad will come to you. Considering buying something refurbished isn't really bad in a karmic sense, I doubt that karma would cause a breakage.
     
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    I picked up a D90 kit for my gf for $ 860 shipped on Nikon Cafe.

    D90 is on par if not better in image quality than the D300. Spend a little more, get a lot more.

    If you have a $550 limit, get a p&s... Canon g10/g11 and call it a day.
     
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    just buy it used off fred miranda forums. your fear of used stuff is irrational.
     
  25. someonenew

    someonenew He's Dangerous

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    it's not so much that we're all trying to convince you to buy something so out of this world it's unreachable. the D90 is still a consumer level camera and it will do all you want, and allow you some room to grow. The biggest issue is that you're asking a group of people who shoot a lot to recommend a used camera with technology that's like 5 years old or 2 other cameras that are limited in what they can do.

    I owned a D40, and then upgraded to the D80, and now shoot the D300. Like you I bought the D40 because it was what I could afford at the time, and I wanted an introductory camera that was going to allow me to take pictures of my family on vacations and snap shots here and there. It turned out I really enjoyed it, and the camera body itself was limiting and I wasn't getting the most of my photography experience. So I upgraded to the D80 (D90 wasn't out yet or even press released at the time). The quality in my images was immediately noticeable, my learning curve took a very sharp angle, and I was also much happier. Eventually I upgraded to the D300 because of numerous things that it offered over the D80.

    Since you used the car analogy let's go with that. The D40? Think of it like a Yugo, sure it's a car...you can learn to drive in it, but that's about it. The D80? that's like buying a 1989 Ford Escort. Yep, it still drives, but it's outdated and is missing a lot of features you'd really get benefits from. The D90 is at least using technology from the last 2 years.

    I'm not a D40 basher/hater. I think it does exactly what it's meant to do and that's get people into the world of DSLR photography for a relatively cheap price. I think you'll outgrow it faster than you think you will. I also think that since you're even bothering to compare the D80 that's the reason you're getting the D90 thrown at you. You're talking about a camera that's an introductory level Consumer camera compared to a much more experienced amatuer level Consumer camera.

    Hey, at least nobody started recommending Prosumer and Professional level bodies to you....well with the exception of dmora, but...well:hsugh:
     

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