GUN A major loophole in NYS gun laws

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=5714222

    An Eyewitness News undercover investigation reveals just how easy it is, and perfectly legal, for anyone to get their hands on a deadly firearm -- no background check needed, no drivers license even needs to be shown.


    The Investigators Jim Hoffer has more on this exclusive story.

    New York state has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation. But after the gun scare at St. John's University in Queens, we decided to take a closer look at the law as it applies to a specific type of rifle -- one that panicked a campus and nearly killed a state police trooper.

    Hoffer: "You get a whole kit? .. do you sell a lot of these?
    Gun clerk: "Yes"

    In the time that it takes to purchase a pair of socks, one can buy a deadly rifle.

    Eyewitness News went undercover at Dicks Sporting Goods store in Upstate New York and with less information than is needed to borrow a library book, we bought a 50-caliber black powder hunting rifle. We just counted out the cash, about $200 and walked away with a brand new, highly powerful weapon.

    So, 10 minutes inside this store, I was able to get a gun identical to the one the St. John's student had. I got this with no questions asked, no background check, no identification needed -- all perfectly legal. Let's make no mistake, this isn't a toy, it's a very lethal weapon.

    A weapon's expert with the Harrison police department demonstrated for us its power.

    Sgt. Michael Olsey: "Highly accurate, really very powerful able to take down large North American game.
    Hoffer: "Even a bear?
    Sgt. Olsey: "Bear, grizzly, black bear ... you name it."

    "I didn't really see him, all I saw was the barrel of a gun and he shot me," said state trooper Amanda Reif.

    State police trooper Amanda Reif has felt the power of the black powder rifle when she was shot by one last summer while responding to a domestic call.

    "This one hit my vest and it mushroomed, it was the first shot. The second shot just hit a little higher," she said.

    She has battled back from near death spending hours each week in rehab. The gunman whom she was able to shoot and kill was a convicted rapist -- a felon who obtained the rifle because of a gaping loophole in New York state's gun laws.

    That is, blackpowder firearms are considered "antiques" because they are muzzle loaded. State and federal gun laws do not include antique firearms, so they are exempt from any permits or background checks.

    "I'm not anti-gun by any means, I grew up with weapons and I believe everyone should be able to carry one if they're legal to possess one but you shouldn't be able to have ready access to them like that," Reif said.

    Just a few weeks ago, a St. John's student with a history of psychological problems had ready access to a black powder rifle, buying one with no questions asked and then creating a panic when he walked onto campus with the gun loaded.

    But to expose the enormity of this loophole, The Investigators purchased another black powder rifle, this time on the Internet. In just four days, it was delivered directly to my house all for under $200 dollars.

    "Any convicted felon can just walk into a store, purchase this weapon and be on the street in 10 minutes ready to ... kill," Olsey said.

    Police Commissioner Ray Kelly is not happy about the antique gun loophole. He says it should be done away with immediately.

    We have a call into the governor's office to see what can be done about it.

    If you have a tip about this or any other investigative story, give our tip-line a call at 877-TIP-NEWS.


    :noes: :run:

    How the fuck did that dumbass cop manage to get shot twice by a muzzleloader rifle?
     
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    Damn... I wonder what the hell she was doing between shot number one and two.

     
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    1. needs more scary adjectives

    2. I too am curious how the cop got shot twice by someone with a muzzleloader
     
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    Says the NY Police Office before they fire her for saying she's not any public having guns. :run:

    and seriously in 10 mins any killer can be on the streets ready to kill with his muzzle loader rifle... hum.. "Hold on give me a min to reload..."
     
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    I can reload and make 3 moderately aimed shots in about a minute. If this is able to hold off a police force, that place deserves to be overrun anyways.
     
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    double barrel?
     
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    "Any person can just walk into a home depot and buy any number of deadly, deadly chainsaws. No permit required."
     
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    This story is filled with wow...

    How does a cop get shot TWICE by a muzzleloader?? and then shoot back?

    How do they not know you can buy them OTC? Have they never been to a sporting goods store or even walmart?

    And yes, a blackpowder can kill a bear, but it takes alot of skill.
     
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    call the number about how easy it is to get the tools necessary to dispose of a dead hooker with no questions asked.
     
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    A school had a gun scare over a black-powder, muzzle-loading rifle? :hsugh:

    and who gets hit, much less shot at, TWICE with the aforementioned rifle. :ugh2:
     
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    Good to know the revolution can actually use Minute-men with black-powder rifles to take back the county. :rofl:
     
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    At first I thought they were going to buy a kit with an unfinished receiver. I almost laughed myself to death when they said a black powder rifle. I want to know if the writer of this story knows it's sensationalist bull shit or if they believe it.
     
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    -1 for body armor in this case. anyone who takes 2 shots with a muzzleloader while being equipped with an autoloader (or at LEAST a revolver) is a fucking idiot and shouldn't be here.
     
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    Female Cop FTL!
     
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    FTW! :bowdown:

    Six rounds of .44 black powder.

    On my list of must haves.
     
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    and a felon owning one is STILL illegal - they barely mention that :rofl:

    next story:

    Did you know people can buy stuff illegally?!!!!! HOLY CRAP WOW!!!!
     
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    My father was a NY State Trooper who started around 1962 or so and retired in 1987. I remember as a child him coming home from work and howling in rage about the women they were hiring :rofl:
     
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    Of course the real loophole is that there are extremely powerful bolt action milsurp rifles that are chambered in still-available ammunition for which NO FLL is needed because they are "antiques."

    :o
     
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    Hmm BP exempt from NFA laws? I got a Confederate Navy .44 repro stock would be a cool add on :o
     
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    IN for muzzle loading revolution led by STILL LEGAL gun owners...
     
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