GUN 8 out of 20, nice shooting NYPD

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  1. PanzerAce

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/13/ny.shooting/index.html

    Damn, fuckers must be hitting the range ALOT more these days.

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- A young man carrying what turned out to be a hairbrush died Monday night in a hail of bullets fired by New York police.
    Khiel Coppin's brother Joel Coppin spoke briefly with reporters saying, "We want justice."

    Authorities were responding to a 9-1-1 call his mother made about a "family dispute with a gun," police said.

    In the background of the call, played at a news conference Tuesday, 18-year-old Khiel Coppin can be heard saying, "I've got a gun, I've got a gun," New York Police Department Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne told CNN.

    The teen put an object under his shirt and told his mother around the time she phoned 9-1-1 that he was going to say he had a gun, said New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

    The teen told her, " 'I'm prepared to die,' " Kelly told reporters.
    When authorities arrived at the Bedford-Stuyvesant apartment, the teenager had something stuffed under his shirt and several times showed a knife to police. "Shoot me, kill me," he shouted, according to Kelly. "Come get me. I have a gun. Let's do this."

    Coppin ignored repeated commands to stop and get on the ground. Witnesses said the teen appeared to be holding an object underneath his shirt and pointed it at the officers. Coppin continued to approach officers, as they ordered him to stop, said Kelly.

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    Twenty shots were fired; Coppin was struck eight times, Kelly said.

    "This was a terrible tragedy for Khiel's family, no doubt about it," said Kelly. But the commissioner stressed that officers reasonably believed they were about to receive fire.

    Kelly said the teen's mother reported he had not taken his anti-depressant and anti-psychotic medication.

    Police have not recovered a gun and do not believe that Coppin was armed, Kelly said.

    A reporter asked Kelly if it's possible the young man was goading police to shoot him, a phenomenon known commonly in law enforcement circles as suicide-by-cop.

    "That's certainly a possibility," said Kelly.

    "The boy didn't have no gun, he had a brush on him," said Andre Wildman, a neighbor who told CNN that he saw the shooting. [​IMG] Listen to mother's 911 call »

    Another neighbor, Wayne Holder, said police should be required to see a weapon before opening fire on a suspect. "At least see a gun before you start to discharge it," Holder said. Police "don't even have to see it, [if] they think you got one, you're going to get shot."

    Coppin was taken to a hospital where he was declared dead. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday, the medical examiner's office said.

    The Rev. Al Sharpton's National Action Network is expected to hold a news conference on Tuesday about the shooting.

    Police said they were investigating whether Coppin had a history of mental illness and whether his mother had tried to have him hospitalized earlier Monday.

    The shooting came a year after unarmed groom Sean Bell, 23, was killed hours before his wedding in a shooting involving New York police. In 1999, unarmed African immigrant Amadou Diallo, 22, died when police in the Bronx shot him 19 times.

    Bystander Dyshawn Gibson described Monday's shooting to CNN affiliate WABC-TV. "He dropped the brush," Gibson said. "He put his hands up. Police just started firing."

    Coppin was seen pacing around the apartment prior to the shooting, according to an initial police statement issued Monday night.

    "He began screaming from the window at his mother and the police," the police statement said. "At some point, the male climbed out of the window and began crossing the sidewalk toward the police."
    That's when police began firing, a police spokesman said.
     
  2. smartypants

    smartypants New Member

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    I've heard IALEFI instructors tell students to empty the first mag getting to cover.
     
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    Kid got what he wanted case closed
     
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    I hate the direction our country is headed. I was waiting for someone to post this. I can't fathom how people can side with the "victim"
     
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    racial boundaries
     
  6. Paul Revere

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    :wtf: what a load of shit. i wish it was ok for cops to tell the family to shut the fuck up in situations like this, and that their little "Khiel" isnt a fucking angel.
     
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    Rofl, you guys are ignoring the wonderful shooting of the NYPD. Didn't the study say that cops only hit lik 15% of the time? this is like 40% :eekd:
     
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    And money
     
  9. I hate to be the one to say this, but...Shooting at a paper target and shooting at a live human who may or may not have a gun is two different things. If anyone on this forum has shot someone and its the same thing then I'm wrong.
     
  10. Paul Revere

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    i dont think anyone is arguing this, but considering all the circumstances before the shoot i dont see how it could be viewed as not justified :dunno:

     
  11. Not saying its not justified, just saying people who have never shot at something that can shoot back can't really say "good job at missing". Anyone who says I have a gun to a cop is asking to get killed.
     
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    oh. yeah.
    :werd:
     
  13. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Most of the NYPD shoots I've read that give hit and shot count are about 30-40% so maybe they're a bit above average. The ones I've gone to the range with have about an 80% hit rate against paper :mamoru:
     
  14. PanzerAce

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    Well, it sounds like about as good a shoot as you can get without having to take out a psycho actually gunning people down :dunno:
     
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    I hate that the media always does this shit ... What difference does it make in this story that a black kid was shot a decade ago? Or were the hit/miss percentages the same in that incident too? :rolleyes:
     
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    KNYTE I'm Not Kidding.

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    I was wondering when Al Sharpton was going to sleeze his way into this.
     
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