GUN .45 ACP vs. 10mm

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  1. Letifo

    Letifo Moderator

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    My father has a Beretta 10mm, stainless steel. it's a beautiful weapon, i've shot it and i really like it. I've never shot a .45 though, he doesn't have one. I am curious how they compare in terms of ballistics performance, in terms of recoil, and other things. The Beretta is full size btw, i guess it's a 92 model, but i'm not 100% sure.

    also, on the subject, (this is from my other thread) what do you guys think of this gun:
    http://www.impactguns.com/store/springfield_milspec_1911a1.html
    and what do you think of this gun:
    http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/para_0904/
    that para ordnance one is awfully expensive, but it sounds pretty nice. is a full size 1911 too big for CCW?
     
  2. D-FENS

    D-FENS New Member

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    10mm Beretta? I thought they only did 9mm (92), and .40 (96).
     
  3. Possum Stomper

    Possum Stomper The Great Bird of the Galaxy

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    yeah, a 10mm beretta would be a first i think

    .40SW is the same caliber but a different length round as opposed to 10mm

    what are the exact dimensions on 10mm?
     
  4. Letifo

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    hmm, i thought it was a 10mm, i guess it's possible it's .40S&W though. If so i apologize for my ignorance :eek3:. It's kind of a big gun, vs. the military issue Beretta 9mm (held one when i was in parris island in december)

    I guess in that case, amend the thread to compare all 3 of those calibers.
     
  5. SS109

    SS109 3100 FPS OT Supporter

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    .45ACP, big slow round, recoil impresive but not too sharp. I like it in the 1911 & the H&K.
    9mm, fast, better penetration, recoil lighter, I like it in the Hi-Power Browning and the Glock 17.
    The .40 S&W is a combination of the 9mm and the .45. Some say the S&W stands for Short & Weak. I like it in the SIG 229, but I prefer the .357SIG.
    The original 10mm is a mighty cartridge, the .40 was developed because the 10mm was just too hard on the men, women & guns shooting it.
    I would start with a 9mm.
     
  6. Letifo

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    thanks for the links. Looks like the 10mm is the best round out there, and .45ACP is probably second? The only problem with the 10mm seems to be the recoil, which i guess is a personal thing.
     
  7. Possum Stomper

    Possum Stomper The Great Bird of the Galaxy

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    that and the fact that hardly anyone makes guns chambered in 10mm
     
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    10mm harder to find and harder on the wallet ammo wise
     
  9. Painkiller

    Painkiller Sometimes remembering is better than forgetting

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    10mm is great round, but is hard to find chambered in guns. They make a MP5/10 that is in 10mm. :o
     
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    not to mention both 10mm and .45acp can be a bit hard on the wallet when compared to 40sw and 9mm
     
  11. ShackleMeNot

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    Even though I really like 10mm, given the choice between .45 and 10mm for a new shooter I would get the .45.

    If you are asking because you are going to buy your first handgun, get a 9mm. It will be much cheaper to feed.
     
  12. Ford4Life

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    Getting a gun chambered in .45 doesn't automatically mean shitty capacity, the Glock 21 for example, holds 13+1.
     
  13. spartan

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    Paraphrasing: If you need more than 6 rds, then you are in a situation requiring a lot more than a handgun.

    10mm is, to the best of my understanding from research, an excellent, excellent round. The only problems are:

    1. It has a tendency to over penetrate, even with hollow point rounds

    2. There are few guns that are manufactured for it, and they all have a large frame.

    3. Factory loads are expensive and not nearly as impressive as the actual 10mm capabilities. To get the best performace out of this round, you should reload it. Reloading is a great option, making shooting it cheaper and you can vary your rounds for your gun, but there is the initial added expense of buying reloading equipment and supplies.
     
  14. ShackleMeNot

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    I don't think that is necessarily true. Will you only need 1 round? 2 rounds? 6 rounds? 15 rounds? You won’t know until you need them. With 6 if you have to shoot two attackers three times each you are empty. Empty is not where you want to be if you still have fighting to do.

    The rest of what you wrote is accurate. I like 10mm a lot but in my opinion it is a specialty cartridge and other rounds are better suited for defense pistols (9mm, .40 and .45).
     
  15. spartan

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    The praphrasing I used is less about how many rounds you have in your magazine and more about reading your situation and having a defensive understanding of yourself and your surroundings.

    Having a .45 with 7+1 makes me look at a situation a lot differently than if I have a 9mm with 15+1.
     
  16. blkgs4

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    A great 10mm package for carry would be a 4 inch slide on a commander size frame. To me its a perfectly balanced handgun with great ballistics, I'd love to go all caspian for the frame and slide and ed brown for all the internals. I'd like to see figures around 1200 FPS out of that package with a nice 200 bullet (it would depend on feeding issues, but a quality JHP would be on the top of that list). But I agree with whats been said here generally 10mm>45acp.
     
  17. blkgs4

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    From the chronos I've seen from the GAP, it speed wise seems like a pretty decent round (I'm just not getting into because of the cost of factory ammo).
    Also about the 1911, I love 1911s, and if I can get the size and reliability (I'm sure with the appropriate combo of HP and feed ramp it will be reliable) out of it I'm not too worried about capacity. And I'm too the mentality if I need more than 7 rounds I've got the AR in the trunk. Also I'm just a fan of single stacks, P7s, 1911s, Sig 225s etc.. (All this from someone who carries a G23).
     
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    better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

    just my opinion.
     
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    footratfunkface New Member

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    as i'm fond of saying:

    no one has ever complained of having too MUCH ammo, unless they're on fire or drowning.
     
  20. blkgs4

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    :werd:

    Except a couple of my marine buddies who hated lugging around cases of ammo for their 249s :drool: I'm sure I'd be complaining too until I ran out of ammo shooting BGs
     
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    Did you buy a G19 or G17?
     
  22. ShackleMeNot

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    Most people who have a 249 have someone else paying for ammo...
     
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    19. i can't conceal a 17. i think my shirt today was a little short and snug, and one of the ladies at the doctor's office gave me a look that makes me think she saw my pistol printing and figured out what it was. i need more nicer shirts that are looser than t-shirts, but i hate long sleeves, and it's winter, so i'm stuck whith what i've got for a little while.
     
  24. blkgs4

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    What kind of holster are you using?
     
  25. Letifo

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    what kind of guns do you guys like chambered in 10mm? since some of you said you don't like 1911 styles chambered in 10mm. :dunno:
     

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