1969 Pontiac Firebird

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  1. Million

    Million New Member

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    1969 Pontiac Firebird *More Pics!*

    Came into this baby right around Christmas time, been in the family since '69.

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    In the next week the motor will be pulled for a top to bottom rebuild. The leaf and coil springs will be replaced, and she's getting a new set of Edelbrock IAS shocks.

    Then comes engine compartment restoration and touch-up.

    Once the motor is back in place I will be doing a full front end rebuild with a larger sway bar and all new polygraphite bushings.

    For those that know anything about enginges here's what this 350's getting:

    Air Cleaner
    Moroso 14” x 3” Black

    Carburetor
    Edelbrock Performer 600cfm

    Intake Manifold
    Edelbrock Performer

    Valve Covers
    Stock (if they’ll fit)

    Cylinder Heads
    Stock Machined

    Exhaust Manifolds
    Pontiac long branch high flow

    Camshaft/Lifters
    Crane Cams Powermax

    Rockers
    Harland Sharp Roller Rockers

    Rocker Arm Studs
    Crane Cams

    Distributor
    MSD Pontiac V-8 Pro-Billet

    Electronic Ignition Box
    MSD 6420 6AL Ignition Control

    Spark Plug Wires
    Moroso Spiral Core

    Starter
    Powermaster MasterTorque Starter

    Alternator
    GM Delco Style Alternator

    Gaskets
    Mr. Gasket U/S Overhaul Pontiac

    Oil Filter Adapter
    Classic Industries

    Oil Pump
    Melling Pontiac V-8 High Pressure

    Timing Cover
    KRE Aluminum Timing Cover

    Timing Chain
    Comp Cams Timing Chain Set

    Thermostat
    Milodon High-Flow 180°

    Coil
    MSD Blaster-2

    Water Pump
    CSR Performance Products Billet Aluminum Electric Water Pump

    Oil Pan
    Moroso Street/Strip Pan

    Fasteners
    ARP Hex Head kit

    Throttle Bracket
    Edelbrock Pontiac Throttle Bracket

    Carb Adapter Plate
    Edelbrock

    Pistons
    Federal Mogul Cast Pistons

    Piston Rings
    Sealed Power Performance Ring Set

    Connecting Rods
    ?

    Crankshaft
    Stock

    Valve Springs
    Machinist’s choice

    Valves
    Machinist’s choice

    Pushrods
    Comp Cams High Energy Pushrods

    Rear Main Seal
    K.O.B.

    More pictures will be coming soon.
    Comment.
     
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  2. gdubb

    gdubb Crockett & Tubbs

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    Nice!
     
  3. August Burns

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    its cool that you know the cars whole history, but i wouldnt change it much. just restore it.
     
  4. 396Hawk

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    I love 1st gen 'Birds and have always thought about building a '69 TA clone.

    Get a ram air hood and a set of Pontiac rally wheels while you are at it.

    :cool:
     
  5. Million

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    I just picked up those Cragar SS' recently to replace the stock steels with hubcaps. I paid next to nothing for them and they're temporary for sure because the offset is 5" when it's only supposed to be 4 1/2" and I'm having tire rub on the inside of the right fender.

    When I do buy new wheels it's gonna be a set of Rally II's for sure.

    As for the hood, if I ever step up to a 400 block I'll get the matching Ram Air hood, but for now I'm keeping the 350 so I want the correct hood for it.
     
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    Could use some touching up, but very tough dude. :cool:
     
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    Dont even bother with the 350 Pontiac, if original to the car pull it and set it aside. 400-455 FTW

    www.performanceyears.com
     
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    wow nice. amazing that the engine still runs.
     
  11. CastorTroy

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    Awesome car, I love seeing a well cared for first gen. But out of curiosity, how'd you come up with the engine build parts list? Some parts look way overkill, others kind of meager quality.
     
  12. Million

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    Most of the parts are stuff I was recommended to. The places where you see me getting cheap are the things that I'm going to be swapping out when I at some point go to one of the larger blocks, possibly a 455. About 90% of the parts are interchangeable so I'm spending some of the money now for the nice parts that will end up on my "final" motor, and using them on this build. I hope that makes sense.

    Just out of curiosity what parts look overkill/lame to you?
     
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    put an LSX block in it
     
  14. The question wasn't for me, but I'll take a stab at it.

    All the MSD ignition stuff is real nice, but you sure don't need it for such a mild motor. If you upgrade to a 455 later, buy the MSD stuff then.

    The edelbrock carbs really are cheap. I've had edelbrock, a q-jet, a speed demon, a race demon, and worked ona number of holleys. At least spring for a holley, something like a 4779. I had a race demon 975 on my daily driven Chevelle, the throttle response was BETTER, and it made more power than my "better sized" vaccuum secondary speed demon. The only drawback was that fuel economy was awful. If this is not a DD, then I'd recommend something like a race demon, or a holley HP series. If you do upgrade to a 455 then you can keep the carb too. Also, people bitch and moan about picking carbe too big for engines. A while back one of the magazines did a test on a smallblock chevy, they went from something like a 600cmf edelbrock all the way to a 1000+ cfm holley dominator. The bigger, supposedly race only carbs, all made more average power and torque (and peak power and torque) than the smaller carbs. The only down side is that part throttle fuel metering will be slightly more complicated, but you'll find that the better carbs (Race Demon, Holley HP series) are MUCH more tuneable. In the end you'll be a lot better off with a quality carb.

    A better carb (please don't use the edelbrock!) will make more power with a better manifold. Step up to a performer RPM and you'll see another increase in power and torque, the standard performer is an OLD design.

    My other concern is your cam choice. Go with something a bit newer. The powermax is old, you'll get more power and torque from a more moders split pattern cam. It'll cost a bit more, but cam choice is important.

    That's all I can think of now.
     
  15. Million

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    Hey thanks a lot for all the input. I'll look into the Holley carbs. I'm using that cam because I've driven it and it seemed great with the set-up my buddy had which is fairly similar to mine. The performer manifold and 600cfm size carb are an attempt to squeeze some fuel economy from this car as it is my only car and will be a daily driver. I'm relying on a road bike while this baby's down.
     
  16. If you're concerned about fuel mileage, your manifold selection isn't going to make that much of a difference in your number. You won't notice a difference in mileage between the Performer RPM, and the normal performer in normal driving, but when you nail the gas the RPM will make you happier. What matters is cam and carb choice. A newer, split duration cam will definitely be more efficient than an older cam profile, for power and fuel mileage. Also, if you don't feel comfortable trying to tune a mechanical secondary carb for daily driver useage, look into a good vaccuum secondary carb, like the Holley 0-82750, or a Speed Demon. You're going to find a lot more to like in those carbs than in some edelbrock.
     
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    Well today I went to Gotelli's Speed Shop in South San Francisco and got the first round of parts for this rebuild.

    Sorry Market Garden but I still bought an Edelbrock carb and the Performer manifold. The carb was because I got an electric choke perfomer for the price of a manual choke one, and the guy who's building the motor told me he'd rather tune an edelbrock than a Holley, he has something against Holley. I got the intake manifold for $20, so well, there you go. It's been painted black and the Crossover ports have been beaded shut.

    I also picked up the alternator, gaskets, the 6AL box, a thermostat, coil, and ordered a lot of other things. As soon as the manifolds come the heads are going in to be port matched and machined. 3 weeks after that I'll have a new motor.
     
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    any updates? more pics?
     
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    Basically there has been a major change in plans regarding the motor. The mechanic I was going to have do the majority of the work tried to hose me so I have decided that I'm going to build it myself with the help of some of my more experienced buddies. I more or less have a motor's worth of parts sitting in my garage, and am currently looking for a set of Pontiac H.O. or big valve heads to save me the trouble of retrofitting the current ones to take big valves.

    I couple of the the parts selections have changed, I got a set of Hedman 4 tube headers, and I decided against the aluminum roller rockers for a set of comp cams steel rockers with roller tips.

    In other news I rebuilt the whole rear suspension, replacing the leaf springs, shocks, leaf spring pads, and all the bushings. The car drives like something completely different now. I can't wait until I do the front end.

    I chose stock ride height rear springs and Edelbrock IAS Performer shocks. The rear end now sits about 1-2 inches higher giving the car the right amount of rake and stance. Looks much better than it did before-AND drives great.

    The motor will get pulled as soon as finals are over and I have extra time to work on the car. I hope to have this baby back on the road before summer ends with the new motor, front end suspesion, and front disc brakes. After that I don't know what's coming, but most likely interior improvements and a stereo.

    I'll try to get picks to show the new ride height soon.

    Oh yeah, and the sway bar I bought for the front is 1 1/8".... stock was.... 3/4". Shit's gonna be pinned.
     
  20. alltracman78

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    That's a beautiful car man.

    IMO those and the GTOs are the sexiest muscle cars....
     

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