GUN 10mm Vs. .45ACP for a 1911

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  1. AustinL911

    AustinL911 Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator

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    I know I've mentioned this before, but I plan to eventually pick up a Kimber Eclipse Custom II, for occaisional carry (G23 most of the time). It's offered in an 8-rd. capacity 10mm variant, as well as an 8-rd. capacity .45 variant. I had originally planned on getting the 10mm version because it seems like such a badass round. But, after seeing some .45's fully expanded, I'm having doubts as to which would be the better defensive choice. A 3/4" hole from a .45 is awfully tempting.

    Pure power and speed or sheer size? :naughty:

    Which one would OT go with if given the chance?


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  2. Dumbstixlars

    Dumbstixlars Ron Paul/AR-15/Glock/old car/Scooby/R/C croo OT Supporter

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    I'd go .45 if it were my choice.
     
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    I love my 10mm Glock, that said .45 will do the job just fine and a bit cheaper.

    I'd get 10mm.
     
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    its a 1911, it needs to be .45

    You aren't allowed to buy a different caliber till you have a few 1911s already.
     
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    and even then, only in 10mm, or, IF AND ONLY IF it is a race gun, .38 super.
     
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    .45 or 10mm. Baby Jesus cries at 9mm 1911s
     
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    .45ACP FTW. 10mm beats the gun up somethin' aweful.
     
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    Doubletap has a 10mm round that expands to nearly an inch....

    Do you reload? I personally think 10mm is the better cartridge. Its way more versatile and is quite a defensive round. If you don't reload though you can't take advantage of that flexibility as easily and factory loads can get pretty expensive.
     
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    If the world was perfect, I'd say I think the 10mm is pretty much the penultimate pistol caliber round, but in Realsville, you'll shoot a .45 a lot more often.
    .45
     
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    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    because 38 super is a fucking worthless defensive round
     
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    I know.
     
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    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    Same with 9x23
     
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    I hear great things about 10mm.
     
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    I would naturally have said .45 straight off, but are the ballistics on the 10mm that comparable? Can anyone point to some data for me? (not in a doubting tone, genuinely curious) I haven't looked into the 10 that much since it's not that common but I ave .40 dies that will load 10 as well.
     
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    Ok, I think I'm leaning towards the .45....shhhh. Can't decide.


    Oh, and to the guy who asked; I plan to pick up a reloading setup sometime in the near future.
     
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    link to more info? Can't seem to find any :o
     
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    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    So don't be shelling out ignorance before you know the facts.
     
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    It is easier to find .45 in bulk, so if you plan on shooting it alot (which you should) the .45 will be better on the wallet.

    Plus if you can't put a guy down with a .45 you need the extra practice. Or you can just buy both, and give me whichever you end up not liking.
     
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    Most factories load 10mm pretty much identically to .40 Doubletap is an exception to this
    DoubleTap 10mm
    135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
    155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
    165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
    165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
    180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
    180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
    180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
    200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
    230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"bleTap 10mm
    135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
    155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
    165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
    165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
    180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
    180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
    180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
    200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
    230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"

    Winchester's silvertip 10mm round is also loaded pretty decently.

    Handguns suck. Even .45.
     
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    this is the first time I have heard of 9x23, and never have claimed to be an expert or even moderately knowledgeable about race guns :dunno:

    All I know about them is that .38 Super is a popular round for them.
     
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    I thought the whole point of the 10mm is that it could be loaded hotter than .40...? (aside from the evolution of the two, I mean the current use of each) I mean if it's just the same then why does it exist? Loads of people say they prefer the 10 over the .40 because it is a hotter round.

    BTW, what is listed in your chart here? weight, type, vel, penetration, and recovered dia or something? And what's special about the equalizers? I'm a fan of anything 230 gr.
     
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    It can be but most manufactuers don't, as I said winchester and doubletap do load it closer to its potential.

    Those are the results of a gelatin test with 4 layers of 2 of light cotton over 10% calibrated ballistic gel. And yes thats the penetration depth and expanded width. I'd recommend you read this for a good introduction to modern ballistics http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm
     
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    I have a decent understanding of ballistics concepts, I was looking for a link to some comparative tests is all but thanks. I will look for some later I just can't search too much while at work. I have been considering getting a 10mm but if it's only marginally improved over .40 then I won't bother.

    sorry, /threadjack....
     
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    Sorry since you asked about the dimensions I just figured you were relatively unfamiliar with ballistics.

    Find a .40 load that will penetrate 14" and expand to a full inch and I'll agree thats its a marginal improvement over .40. I also don't think you'll find a .40 round that can throw a 135gr round at 1600fps. I think its a pretty significant improvment. The other cool thing about .40 I think its the wide range of bullet weights that can be loaded depending on your uses. I think its a very versatile load. The 19.5/.72" is a heck of a backwoods round.
     

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